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'Godless' billboards popping up across North Carolina
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
2010-06-22 22:54:22 UTC
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June 22, 2010
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
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Excerpts:

Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.

One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte. It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.

...

The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted. Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.

...

The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.

According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."

NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."

When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."

...

"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...

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June 22, 2010

'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
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Video
http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729

A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.

The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.

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Jimbo
2010-06-22 23:00:46 UTC
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Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
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Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  
Last I heard, billboards are generally put up by private individuals
and groups. If they buy the space, they get to define the message
(within local, state, and federal law) We had a billboard on I-94
just East of Ann Arbor, Michigan, that said, "believe God", or
something along those lines. It was on private land, paid for by
private funds, so I had no problem with it.
Dakota
2010-06-22 23:31:29 UTC
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Post by Jimbo
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
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Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte. It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.
Last I heard, billboards are generally put up by private individuals
and groups. If they buy the space, they get to define the message
(within local, state, and federal law) We had a billboard on I-94
just East of Ann Arbor, Michigan, that said, "believe God", or
something along those lines. It was on private land, paid for by
private funds, so I had no problem with it.
Theists only believe in free speech if they are doing the talking.

It's amusing that the "message appears seemingly harmless until one
realizes the words "under God" have been purposely omitted." Apparently
the Pledge of Allegiance was harmful until 1954. That the words "under
God, were placed between "One Nation" and "Indivisible" was remarkably
prescient as the added phrase has certainly proved divisive for the nation.
Lord Calvert
2010-06-23 00:50:40 UTC
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Post by Dakota
Post by Jimbo
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
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Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.
Last I heard, billboards are generally put up by private individuals
and groups.  If they buy the space, they get to define the message
(within local, state, and federal law)  We had a billboard on I-94
just East of Ann Arbor, Michigan, that said, "believe God", or
something along those lines.  It was on private land, paid for by
private funds, so I had no problem with it.
Theists only believe in free speech if they are doing the talking.
It's amusing that the "message appears seemingly harmless until one
realizes the words "under God" have been purposely omitted." Apparently
the Pledge of Allegiance was harmful until 1954. That the words "under
God, were placed between "One Nation" and "Indivisible" was remarkably
prescient as the added phrase has certainly proved divisive for the nation.
Many in the Deep South did indeed find the original pledge harmful.
Bellamy was directly attacking the principles of the "Lost Cause" when
he wrote "One Nation, Indivisible" as many of those who supported the
Confederacy's creation and memory were openly hostile to many of the
basic principles of the Pledge. Bellamy had written the Pledge as an
attempt to help unify the nation under its basic principles after the
Civil War. Later in his life he moved to Florida for this health but
found the totalitarian and anti-American theology of the Southern
Baptists (the group principally responsible for providing the
religious foundation to secession and slavery and which is still the
largest Protestant denomination in the US today) wholly incompatible
with his own Baptist faith and he ceased going to church altogether.
Although he had passed away in 1931, Bellamy's granddaughter was
opposed to the inclusion of the "Under God" clause by the McCarthy-era
congress as she felt that it was in violation of the principles of
freedom and her grandfather's original intent.

"The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which
it stands'. ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is
the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the
Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we
must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to
repeat in their great speeches." - Rev. Francis Bellamy, author of the
original Pledge of Allegiance

To a southerner, the original Pledge of Allegiance had but one
meaning. It was a damnyankee telling them, "Your values are not those
of America. You lost and we will never, ever let you forget it." That
is one of the reasons why the "Under God" clause was put
there...because the concept of "One Nation Indivisible" rankles
everyone who has ever flown a Confederate Flag and thought of that
flag as their own instead of the flag of the United States. And it
still does. That's why this is happening in North Carolina instead of
New Hampshire.


Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
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Paul Revered
2010-06-23 01:06:05 UTC
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Post by Lord Calvert
Post by Dakota
Post by Jimbo
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
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Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.
Last I heard, billboards are generally put up by private individuals
and groups.  If they buy the space, they get to define the message
(within local, state, and federal law)  We had a billboard on I-94
just East of Ann Arbor, Michigan, that said, "believe God", or
something along those lines.  It was on private land, paid for by
private funds, so I had no problem with it.
Theists only believe in free speech if they are doing the talking.
It's amusing that the "message appears seemingly harmless until one
realizes the words "under God" have been purposely omitted." Apparently
the Pledge of Allegiance was harmful until 1954. That the words "under
God, were placed between "One Nation" and "Indivisible" was remarkably
prescient as the added phrase has certainly proved divisive for the nation.
Many in the Deep South did indeed find the original pledge harmful.
Bellamy was directly attacking the principles of the "Lost Cause" when
he wrote "One Nation, Indivisible" as many of those who supported the
Confederacy's creation and memory were openly hostile to many of the
basic principles of the Pledge. Bellamy had written the Pledge as an
attempt to help unify the nation under its basic principles after the
Civil War. Later in his life he moved to Florida for this health but
found the totalitarian and anti-American theology of the Southern
Baptists (the group principally responsible for providing the
religious foundation to secession and slavery and which is still the
largest Protestant denomination in the US today) wholly incompatible
with his own Baptist faith and he ceased going to church altogether.
Although he had passed away in 1931, Bellamy's granddaughter was
opposed to the inclusion of the "Under God" clause by the McCarthy-era
congress as she felt that it was in violation of the principles of
freedom and her grandfather's original intent.
"The true reason for allegiance to the Flag is the 'republic for which
it stands'. ...And what does that vast thing, the Republic mean? It is
the concise political word for the Nation - the One Nation which the
Civil War was fought to prove. To make that One Nation idea clear, we
must specify that it is indivisible, as Webster and Lincoln used to
repeat in their great speeches." - Rev. Francis Bellamy, author of the
original Pledge of Allegiance
To a southerner, the original Pledge of Allegiance had but one
meaning. It was a damnyankee telling them, "Your values are not those
of America. You lost and we will never, ever let you forget it." That
is one of the reasons why the "Under God" clause was put
there...because the concept of "One Nation Indivisible" rankles
everyone who has ever flown a Confederate Flag and thought of that
flag as their own instead of the flag of the United States. And it
still does. That's why this is happening in North Carolina instead of
New Hampshire.
Then the southern faggots must not have liked these founding fathers words
either;

""E Pluribus Unum (Out of Many, One)"

-The Motto our Founders gave us""

IOW southern maggots never where or are *NOT* a part o America to this day
... still off in their own smelly little scumbucket incestual caves
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Peter Brooks
2010-06-24 09:18:13 UTC
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Post by Dakota
Theists only believe in free speech if they are doing the talking.
It's amusing that the "message appears seemingly harmless until one
realizes the words "under God" have been purposely omitted." Apparently
the Pledge of Allegiance was harmful until 1954. That the words "under
God, were placed between "One Nation" and "Indivisible" was remarkably
prescient as the added phrase has certainly proved divisive for the nation.
So they haven't spotted that patriotism and nationalism are religions
worshiping countries as gods - just as bad and dangerous as pledging
allegiance to any other sort of god.
SchÝoop Ed
2010-06-23 00:38:42 UTC
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God didn't even invade our political scene until 1954...who the fuck did that
anyway?

"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one
nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."

- Pledge as originally written by Francis Bellamy in 1892


"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all."

- Pledge as it was from 1924 - 1954


"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all."

- Pledge since 1954
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fasgnadh
2010-06-25 08:37:22 UTC
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Post by SchÝoop Ed
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one
nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
- Pledge as originally written by Francis Bellamy in 1892
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all."
- Pledge as it was from 1924 - 1954
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all."
- Pledge since 1954
So the trend from 1892 to 2010 is for the United States to become MORE
overtly religious!

How interesting! B^D

Do you think it's relevant that the "under God" was inserted AFTER
the Godless atheist regimes had revealed their terror, torture and
absolute brutality to the world? ie the increased overt religiosity
in the USA is a reaction to the horrors presented by every atheist
regime in history.. a rejection of atheism as part of the spiritual
evolution of human civilisation!?!!

Before any hysterical atheist busts a boiler, To be honest I actually
think the ORIGINAL reads better.. it sings!

I would be happy with it's simplicity.. although the whole Flag thing
has overtones of Uber-nationalism... it can be pretty divisive..
try burning one and see what happens! 8^o

and I can actually understand how the operation of democracy in this
area upsets you. It is difficult when, to express the view of the
majority, means, unavoidably, saying things that anti-republic,
anti-liberty, anti-justice and anti-theist citizens don't like.

Normally tiny minorities have to just suck it up... what can truly
create an indivisible unity, however, is when the majority considers
and accomodates the views of the minority.. so perhaps the references
to liberty, justice and God could be left out and you could just have
the Lowest Common Denominator.. "I pledge allegiance to the flag".

Unless someone finds the idea of glorifying a coloured piece of cloth to
be ludicrous......


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Jimbo
2010-06-29 04:32:56 UTC
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Post by SchÝoop Ed
God didn't even invade our political scene until 1954...who the fuck did that
anyway?
A wave of post WWII Atomic Bomb fear coupled with a solid does of
McCarthy "Red Scare" "Godless Communists" sprinkled heavily with a
wave of religious fanaticism, led primarily by the KoC (Knights of
Columbus) let the US Congress to commit the Unconstitutional act of
passing a law establishing a prayer where had previously existed a
simply statement of patriotism.
Post by SchÝoop Ed
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one
nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
- Pledge as originally written by Francis Bellamy in 1892
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all."
- Pledge as it was from 1924 - 1954
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all."
- Pledge since 1954
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Exactly.
Rick
2010-06-29 22:17:01 UTC
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Post by SchÝoop Ed
God didn't even invade our political scene until 1954...who the fuck did that
anyway?
"I pledge allegiance to my Flag and the Republic for which it stands, one
nation, indivisible, with liberty and justice for all."
- Pledge as originally written by Francis Bellamy in 1892
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands; one nation, indivisible, with liberty and
justice for all."
- Pledge as it was from 1924 - 1954
"I pledge allegiance to the flag of the United States of America, and to the
Republic for which it stands; one nation, under God, indivisible, with
liberty and justice for all."
- Pledge since 1954
The act of congress that inserted the christian "God" was and is on the face of it unconstitutional if "an act of congress" is the same as "making a
law." Probably the billboards will provide someone with a basis from which to take a case to court.
Silly Conetitts
2010-06-23 00:40:27 UTC
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My Hero, Porky Pig, didn't have to pledge "Under God" ... so why the fuck
should I?

http://www.ncsecular.org/contact.html
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livvy
2010-06-23 04:52:21 UTC
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Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
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Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
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Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."


and that's where it stops. The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out. I'll
take you to the airport. Your NC Secular Association should find
something to do. Secular, key word. A deal's a deal, leave our
Pledge of Allegiance alone, or get out. No on wants you here.
Lord Calvert
2010-06-23 05:11:40 UTC
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Post by livvy
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
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Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
and that's where it stops.   The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out.   I'll
take you to the airport.      Your NC Secular Association should find
something to do.     Secular, key word.     A deal's a deal, leave our
Pledge of Allegiance alone, or get out.   No on wants you here.
That's the whole point. They DO want the Pledge left alone. They want
it restored to its original 1892 wording and intent, not what you neo-
commie, America-hating, big-government worshiping, white-sheeter, anti-
conservative Taliban-wannabees corrupted it to in 1954 when you
decided that we needed to emulate the Communists in order to oppose
them.

Rich Goranson
Amherst, NY, USA
aa#MCMXCIX, a-vet#1
EAC Department of Paranormal Phycology

"[W]e apply the limitations of the Constitution with no fear that
freedom to be intellectually and spiritually diverse or even contrary
will disintegrate the social organization. To believe that patriotism
will not flourish if patriotic ceremonies are voluntary and
spontaneous instead of a compulsory routine is to make an unflattering
estimate of the appeal of our institutions to free minds. We can have
intellectual individualism and the rich cultural diversities that we
owe to exceptional minds only at the price of occasional eccentricity
and abnormal attitudes. When they are so harmless to others or to the
State as those we deal with here, the price is not too great. But
freedom to differ is not limited to things that do not matter much.
That would be a mere shadow of freedom. The test of its substance is
the right to differ as to things that touch the heart of the existing
order. If there is any fixed star in our constitutional constellation,
it is that no official, high or petty, can prescribe what shall be
orthodox in politics, nationalism, religion, or other matters of
opinion or force citizens to confess by word or act their faith
therein. If there are any circumstances which permit an exception,
they do not now occur to us." - US Supreme Court, West Virginia v.
Barnette (1943), ruling that compulsory recitation of the Pledge of
Allegiance was not only unconstitutional but un-American as well.
Yap
2010-06-23 08:03:31 UTC
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Post by livvy
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
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Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
 http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
and that's where it stops.   The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out.   I'll
take you to the airport.      Your NC Secular Association should find
something to do.     Secular, key word.     A deal's a deal, leave our
Pledge of Allegiance alone, or get out.   No on wants you here.
Under god, yet the 9/11 still occurred, the Katrina still killed, your
California still under threat from fault lines, and many Americans
still died on the motor ways every day, the BP still is
leaking........where is your god, livvy?
u***@yahoo.com
2010-06-23 08:07:32 UTC
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Post by livvy
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
- - -
Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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- - -
June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
 http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
and that's where it stops.   The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out.   I'll
take you to the airport.      Your NC Secular Association should find
something to do.     Secular, key word.     A deal's a deal, leave our
Pledge of Allegiance alone, or get out.   No on wants you here.
I was born and raised here. I have as much right to be here as you.
No one is stopping you from worshipping your make-believe friend. I'm
just not going to join you in your delusion. If you don't like it,
get out.
G O D _ = disease
2010-06-23 08:20:39 UTC
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- A livvy-livered dumbass blathered some nonsensical drivel in the form of
hypocrisy wit ...
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
- - -
Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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- - -
June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
 http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
and that's where it stops. The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out. I'll
take you to the airport. Your NC Secular Association should find
something to do. Secular, key word. A deal's a deal,
"A deal's a deal" by your very own words limpy [and the sheeople you support]
broke the original deal there diapersoiler...

NOW your own dumb hypocritical ass has just pointed the finger at itself as
the REAL scummaggots keeping the USA [Ununited States of America] solidly
DIVIDED thereby making the Pledge of Allegiance you defend so bigotorially by
insisting "Under God" be in a POA that has turned into something that is
NOTHING MORE THAN IMPOTENT ...
leave our Pledge of Allegiance alone, or get out.
What makes it "yours" and not mine too? I was born here fuckwit, - lol You
really are that fucking stupid aren't you? [no need to answer btw, we know]
No on wants you here.
Yeah, I'll bet your the life of the [bigot] party aren't you ...

--
THEE American Military WANTS YOU!!!

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Got Conscience?
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
2010-06-23 14:18:08 UTC
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Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
- - -
Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte. It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted. Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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- - -
June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
and that's where it stops. The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out. I'll
take you to the airport. Your NC Secular Association should find
something to do. Secular, key word. A deal's a deal, leave our
Pledge of Allegiance alone, or get out. No on wants you here.
Returning the pledge to its pre-1954 form would
be admirable. As for God, those can be interpreted
as initials for G.ood ol' D.isbelief -or- G.ood ol' D.oubt
-or- G.roovin' on D.istance from religion -or- ... well ...
many other things far removed from the magic being
figure that was intended when the word was added.

One Nation, Indivisible, the individual who states
that that phrase is less divisive is correct. As for
the pledge itself, whether it includes the contro-
versial God word or not, it's as questionable as
are loyalty oaths and other mottos and pledges
to assorted causes and beliefs that have been
handed down over the ages.

The most admirable notion that this nation repre-
sents?

FREEDOM.

Persisting on keeping that 1954 addition in, a word
which (estimates vary) at least 10 percent don't
believe in and which the founders of this country
interpreted in a far different manner than do the
current religion-steeped members of the Republican
religious right, unwise -and- divisive (IMO).

€ - € - € - € - € - € - € - € - € - € - € - €

~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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Jimbo
2010-06-29 04:35:29 UTC
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Post by livvy
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
- - -
June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
- - -
Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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- - -
June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
 http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
and that's where it stops.   The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out.  
Or, I have a better idea, stay here and work to change it back.
Frank Galikanokus
2010-06-29 21:10:22 UTC
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Post by Jimbo
Post by livvy
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
- - -
Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte. It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted. Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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- - -
June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
and that's where it stops. The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out.
Or, I have a better idea, stay here and work to change it back.
That's the American way!

JAM
Jimbo
2010-07-06 13:15:21 UTC
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Post by Frank Galikanokus
Post by Jimbo
Post by livvy
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
- - -
June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
- - -
Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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- - -
June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
- - - end excerpts - - -
- - - - - - - - - - -
~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
 http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
and that's where it stops.   The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out.
Or, I have a better idea, stay here and work to change it back.
That's the American way!
JAM- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Exactly.
Virgil
2010-07-06 19:19:18 UTC
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In article
Post by Jimbo
Post by Frank Galikanokus
Post by Jimbo
Post by livvy
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
- - -
Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
- - - end excerpts - - -
- - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - - -
- - -
June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
- - - end excerpts - - -
- - - - - - - - - - -
~~~
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
 http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
and that's where it stops.   The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out.
Or, I have a better idea, stay here and work to change it back.
That's the American way!
JAM- Hide quoted text -
- Show quoted text -
Exactly.
When I was learning the pledge in school, quite a while ago, there was
no mention of any gods in the pledge, and I do not choose now to unlearn
what I then learned.
News Journalism
2010-07-07 12:28:00 UTC
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Nancy McLaughlin, News & Record Newspaper of Greensboro, North
Carolina, religion reporter for "The Front Pew" repeated some common
errors in her column "Religious Vandalism, continued controversy over
pledge of allegiance" on 6/28/2010.

Where did she come up with the claim "Though a devout man, Bellamy
intentionally avoided overtly religious language to give the pledge a
more inclusive feel"? It is true that Bellamy was a devout man, but
he
did not intentionally avoid overtly religious language to give a more
inclusive feel in the entire Pledge of Allegiance program (which
identifies him as being in charge). The Pledge of Allegiance was only
a small part of a larger Pledge program which was replete with
religious references, including the phrase "under God." That the
phrase is not in the small pledge part seems more an oversight by
Bellamy. If people had robotically chanted and re-enacted the entire
pledge program, they would have included the phrase "under God" as
well as the various other religious references. Some people would,
and
have, described Bellamy as a religious wacko.
http://rexcurry.net/pledgespeech.html

Bellamy is the only one listed at the end of the Youth's Companion
article, and listed as "Chairman, Executive Committee" of the
Superintendants of Education in charge of the project. Bellamy was
"one of his editorial staff" (at the Youth's Companion) and
specifically assigned to handle the Pledge and the program. Bellamy
openly declared that he was in charge of the Pledge program and wrote
the material. See the work of Dr. Rex Curry.

Many people deliberately leave out the information above in order to
mislead people about Bellamy and the facts surrounding the original
Pledge. Other people repeat the misleading omissions out of
ignorance.
Readers should be given the whole story.

Oh, and if her paper is similar to other papers then she will not be
able to publish an actual photo of the early American stiff-armed
salute. It will be funny to see the lack of the photo in her future
blogs/columns.
Jimbo
2010-07-07 12:33:29 UTC
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Post by News Journalism
Nancy McLaughlin, News & Record Newspaper of Greensboro, North
Carolina, religion reporter for "The Front Pew" repeated some common
errors in her column "Religious Vandalism, continued controversy over
pledge of allegiance" on 6/28/2010.
Where did she come up with the claim "Though a devout man, Bellamy
intentionally avoided overtly religious language to give the pledge a
more inclusive feel"? It is true that Bellamy was a devout man, but
he
did not intentionally avoid overtly religious language to give a more
inclusive feel in the entire Pledge of Allegiance program (which
identifies him as being in charge). The Pledge of Allegiance was only
a small part of a larger Pledge program which was replete with
religious references, including the phrase "under God." That the
phrase is not in the small pledge part seems more an oversight by
Bellamy.
Actually, not. Bellamy's daughter confirmed the fact that he left the
phrase "under God" out of the pledge purposefully, and she objected to
the amendment strenuously. Bellamy's pledge was NOT part of a larger
PoA program, but was highjacked by the christer organization "The
Knights of Columbus" at a later time. Not sure who Nancy McLaughlin
is, but she's full of shit, and trying to rewrite known history for
her own purposes.

Jimbo
2010-07-07 12:29:26 UTC
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Post by Jimbo
Post by Frank Galikanokus
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Post by livvy
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
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Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
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Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
 http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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"When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
and that's where it stops.   The Pledge of Allegiance is what it
is....."One Nation, Under God"....you don't like it, get out.
Or, I have a better idea, stay here and work to change it back.
That's the American way!
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Exactly.
When I was learning the pledge in school, quite a while ago, there was
no mention of any gods in the pledge, and I do not choose now to unlearn
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Same here. When I learned the pledge in the later half of the 1940's,
it was a statement of patriotism. Later they turned it into a prayer.
Yap
2010-06-23 07:56:36 UTC
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Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
- - -
Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
 http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
~~~
The action is perfectly right.
There is no god in this universe.
The belief that there is a god is always derived from ancient liars
and con artist.
Modern people should not allow themselves to be guided by stories more
than 2000 years old.
ScienceWins
2010-06-24 02:18:22 UTC
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Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted. Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
Inflicted upon Americans by the McCarthy domestic terrorists --
which you insane Christanic cultists love because he was a fascist
just like you are.

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Phoneme & Morpheme
2010-07-06 20:19:32 UTC
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Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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June 22, 2010
 http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=12689408
WHY DON'T YOU GO AND FUCK DARWIN INSTEAD?
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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Some billboards popping up in Charlotte and
across North Carolina are giving some drivers
reason to pause.
One of the billboards is on Billy Graham Parkway
in west Charlotte.  It shows an American flag
with the words "One Nation Indivisible" super-
imposed.
...
The message appears seemingly harmless until
one realizes the words "under God" have been
purposely omitted.  Those two words have been
part of the Pledge of Allegiance since 1954.
...
The billboard campaign ... is sponsored by the
North Carolina Secular Association.
According to a statement issued by the group,
most of the money used to pay for the campaign
came from an organization called FreeThought-
Action whose mission is to "encourage the con-
tinuing growth, open engagement, and public
acceptance of a freethought community in
American society."
NCSA founder Joseph McDaniel Stewart said
the campaign "is designed to bring nontheists
and theists together as patriots in a shared
society."
When the words 'under God' were added to the
Pledge of Allegiance between 'one nation' and
'indivisible,' Stewart claims, "They made a lie out
of both those ideals because you can't have an
indivisible nation if you draw a line between the
godly and godless. We all belong here."
...
"The North Carolina Constitution declares that
one must believe in God to hold public office
and even though this requirement is unenforce-
able because it violates the U.S. Constitution,
it's still on the books," ...
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June 22, 2010
'Under God' missing from billboard
on Billy Graham Parkway
 http://tinyurl.com/onenationindivisible
- - -
Video
 http://media.wcnc.com/designvideo/bimVidPlayer.swf?i=96900729
A billboard in Charlotte is one of six across North
Carolina that omits the phrase "under God" when
quoting the Pledge of Allegiance.
The billboards, sponsored by the North Carolina
Secular Association, have the phrase "One Nation
Indivisible" written over an American flag back-
ground.
...
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
 http://prohuman.net
(Freethinking Realist Exploring
Expressive Liberty, Openness,
Verity, Enlightenment, & Rationality)
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