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"Out of the Closet" campaign (Atheists are just ordinary people)
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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April 9, 2011

Atheists are just ordinary people — all
smiles, but no gods [well, even though
it's understandable that the group wants
to convey an "all smiles" presence to
counter the "all smiles" illusion presented
by many religious groups, the actuality
of the situation is that human existence
is an up-and-down adventure, with a
combination of happy and sad and, for
some, many terrible moments, so "all
smiles" is not accurate, just as the "all
smiles" illusion that many of the religious
try to convey is just as inaccurate]

National group launches billboard
campaign in North Carolina

at chieftan.com:
http://tinyurl.com/ordinary-people-with-no-gods
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... some atheists are coming out of their
own closets with a new billboard campaign
that attempts to project a friendly, whole-
some image of a group long stigmatized
[overwhelmingly, by religious conservatives
for the most part] for its unconventional
beliefs.

Plastered on billboards in Raleigh, Durham,
Pittsboro and Smithfield, N.C., are the smil-
ing faces of real atheists and agnostics,
accompanied by pithy statements such
as ''I'm saved from religion'' and ''Another
happy, humanist family.''

The ''Out of the Closet'' campaign is just
one of several ways the growing nonbeliever
movement is flexing its muscles and ele-
vating its profile amid a competitive reli-
gious marketplace nationwide.

''We're ready to shift the stereotype of
the curmudgeonly old, overly educated,
angry white man,'' said Mark Zumbach,
president of the Triangle Freethought
Society, which is sponsoring the cam-
paign. ''We're a pretty diverse community.
There are a lot of young people, women
and families.''

Silent no more

...

Atheists at Fort Bragg have organized as
the Military Atheists and Secular Humanists,
or MASH, so they can begin to solicit dona-
tions.

Griffith said at least 18 percent of soldiers
at Fort Bragg indicated in their records file
they had ''no religious preference,'' making
unaffiliated soldiers the second-largest
group on the post after Christians.

That's roughly the same percentage of
Americans who have no religious affiliation,
according to recent polls.

Groups such as the Triangle Freethought
Society, which now has about 200 members,
are encouraged.

''Our biggest intent is not to disenfranchise
anyone with (religious) belief but to make
ourselves known to people who don't know
us and feel they need to get together with
others who have the same thoughts,'' said
Kristen Douglas of Carrboro, N.C., a society
board member.

Nonbelievers are far more willing to challenge
the status quo these days, said Laurie Maffly-
Kipp, a professor of religion at the University
of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. The spate of
books by atheists such as Richard Dawkins
and Christopher Hitchens is one example.

''They're emboldened by people unhappy
with religious extremism,'' said Maffly-Kipp.
''It's a way of proposing another road to
take - give up on religion entirely.''

And while different religious groups will
respond in different ways, most [? - unclear
where this claim comes from, as in many
parts of the country, many if not most
religious organizations preach a hellfire
and brimstone fate for disbelievers, or
at best, oblivion for disbelievers, an ap-
proach that is mated to their promises
of immortality solely for those who be-
lieve in the "right" God in the "right"
way, a stance that has leads many in
the religious community to have a less
than tolerant stance towards those of
different religious faiths (in many cases)
and towards those of no faith (supported
by a plethora of passages in their ancient
so-called "holy" documents)] recognize
atheists' right to free speech.

[maybe in public some do, but when in
their bully pulpits, many of them preach
a quite different message than that, one
of intolerance and demonization of free-
thought and disbelief]

... the ''Out of the Closet'' campaign is
the largest and most ambitious so far.
Most of the money for the effort, about
$10,000, came from the national Freedom
from Religion Foundation based in Madison,
Wis. Another $2,000 was raised locally. The
people pictured in each billboard paid $50 to
have a professional photographer shoot their
picture.

''If all that people see are church marquees,
steeples and crosses, then religion wins by
default,'' said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-presi-
dent of the Freedom from Religion Founda-
tion. ''We want to change that.''

Gaylor said the foundation chose Raleigh
because of the strength of its Triangle
chapter.

The national group plans to take the campaign
to three other cities this year - Phoenix, Min-
neapolis and Columbus, Ohio.

Zumbach, the president of the Triangle free-
thought group, said many more people signed
up to be on the billboards and publicly declare
they were not religious. But the group decided
to limit the initial campaign to 12. ''We're in
your families,'' he said. ''We're in your neigh-
borhoods. We're in your workplace. There's
nothing to be afraid of. We just think differ-
ently.'' [another way of saying that we don't
look to ancient so-called "holy" books or to
so-called "holy" all-powerful supposedly all-
present all-good all-knowing entities, nor do
we pretend to talk to such entities in any
subservient manner, as if such entities can
really do anything other than act as make
believe forces for both good and evil]

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i***@gmail.com
2011-04-09 13:33:58 UTC
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Excerpts [with inserts, not part of original
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April 9, 2011
Atheists are just ordinary people all
smiles, but no gods [well, even though
it's understandable that the group wants
to convey an "all smiles" presence to
counter the "all smiles" illusion presented
by many religious groups, the actuality
of the situation is that human existence
is an up-and-down adventure, with a
combination of happy and sad and, for
some, many terrible moments, so "all
smiles" is not accurate, just as the "all
smiles" illusion that many of the religious
try to convey is just as inaccurate]
National group launches billboard
campaign in North Carolina
 http://tinyurl.com/ordinary-people-with-no-gods
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... some atheists are coming out of their
own closets with a new billboard campaign
that attempts to project a friendly, whole-
some image of a group long stigmatized
[overwhelmingly, by religious conservatives
for the most part] for its unconventional
beliefs.
Plastered on billboards in Raleigh, Durham,
Pittsboro and Smithfield, N.C., are the smil-
ing faces of real atheists and agnostics,
accompanied by pithy statements such
as ''I'm saved from religion'' and ''Another
happy, humanist family.''
The ''Out of the Closet'' campaign is just
one of several ways the growing nonbeliever
movement is flexing its muscles and ele-
vating its profile amid a competitive reli-
gious marketplace nationwide.
''We're ready to shift the stereotype of
the curmudgeonly old, overly educated,
angry white man,'' said Mark Zumbach,
president of the Triangle Freethought
Society, which is sponsoring the cam-
paign. ''We're a pretty diverse community.
There are a lot of young people, women
and families.''
Silent no more
...
Atheists at Fort Bragg have organized as
the Military Atheists and Secular Humanists,
or MASH, so they can begin to solicit dona-
tions.
Griffith said at least 18 percent of soldiers
at Fort Bragg indicated in their records file
they had ''no religious preference,'' making
unaffiliated soldiers the second-largest
group on the post after Christians.
That's roughly the same percentage of
Americans who have no religious affiliation,
according to recent polls.
Groups such as the Triangle Freethought
Society, which now has about 200 members,
are encouraged.
''Our biggest intent is not to disenfranchise
anyone with (religious) belief but to make
ourselves known to people who don't know
us and feel they need to get together with
others who have the same thoughts,'' said
Kristen Douglas of Carrboro, N.C., a society
board member.
Nonbelievers are far more willing to challenge
the status quo these days, said Laurie Maffly-
Kipp, a professor of religion at the University
of North Carolina-Chapel Hill. The spate of
books by atheists such as Richard Dawkins
and Christopher Hitchens is one example.
''They're emboldened by people unhappy
with religious extremism,'' said Maffly-Kipp.
''It's a way of proposing another road to
take - give up on religion entirely.''
And while different religious groups will
respond in different ways, most [? - unclear
where this claim comes from, as in many
parts of the country, many if not most
religious organizations preach a hellfire
and brimstone fate for disbelievers, or
at best, oblivion for disbelievers, an ap-
proach that is mated to their promises
of immortality solely for those who be-
lieve in the "right" God in the "right"
way, a stance that has leads many in
the religious community to have a less
than tolerant stance towards those of
different religious faiths (in many cases)
and towards those of no faith (supported
by a plethora of passages in their ancient
so-called "holy" documents)] recognize
atheists' right to free speech.
[maybe in public some do, but when in
their bully pulpits, many of them preach
a quite different message than that, one
of intolerance and demonization of free-
thought and disbelief]
... the ''Out of the Closet'' campaign is
the largest and most ambitious so far.
Most of the money for the effort, about
$10,000, came from the national Freedom
from Religion Foundation based in Madison,
Wis. Another $2,000 was raised locally. The
people pictured in each billboard paid $50 to
have a professional photographer shoot their
picture.
''If all that people see are church marquees,
steeples and crosses, then religion wins by
default,'' said Annie Laurie Gaylor, co-presi-
dent of the Freedom from Religion Founda-
tion. ''We want to change that.''
Gaylor said the foundation chose Raleigh
because of the strength of its Triangle
chapter.
The national group plans to take the campaign
to three other cities this year - Phoenix, Min-
neapolis and Columbus, Ohio.
Zumbach, the president of the Triangle free-
thought group, said many more people signed
up to be on the billboards and publicly declare
they were not religious. But the group decided
to limit the initial campaign to 12. ''We're in
your families,'' he said. ''We're in your neigh-
borhoods. We're in your workplace. There's
nothing to be afraid of. We just think differ-
ently.'' [another way of saying that we don't
look to ancient so-called "holy" books or to
so-called "holy" all-powerful supposedly all-
present all-good all-knowing entities, nor do
we pretend to talk to such entities in any
subservient manner, as if such entities can
really do anything other than act as make
believe forces for both good and evil]
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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Actually, what is required of a true atheist is One that thinks the
cosmos and everything in it ...including his OWN life....is a complete
accident without a shred of ultimate purpose which is the catalyst to
many other social atheist constructs such as moral relativism to get
all the gusto one can in this short earthly life, essentially
working all week to live for the weekend, celebrating often to total
drunkenness for having made it thru another year , looking for
reasons to partake in vitually any mind-altering experience in a quest
to bring pleasure (Often, sexual hedonism, drugs , alchohol abuse,
materialism , power , prestige, and forms of narcissism) , and a
thorough disdain toward the end of ones life approaching because there
has been no ultimate meaning , no ultimate fulfillment , and no
optimism toward the afterlife ; thus no alleged Atheist has ever
said on his deathbed :" Gee, I only wish i had another 5 minutes to go
shopping for a new boat , or, to make more money" . A lifelong
pursuit of atheism/humanism ends in a sad state of despair and fear
of death for nearly all because all their life was spent on Self which
One does not have the power or ability to sustain. Such a person
finally realizes that everything was temporary and was simply passing
away , for, he never realized the state of his Soul which IS
permanent , eternal, and can never be eliminated...a consideration
that is not desired especially in the final analysis of ones earthly
life as just minutes remain.
Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
2011-04-09 14:59:40 UTC
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On Apr 9, 8:16 am, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER"
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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Excerpts [with inserts, not part of original
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April 9, 2011
Atheists are just ordinary people all
smiles, but no gods [well, even though
it's understandable that the group wants
to convey an "all smiles" presence to
counter the "all smiles" illusion presented
by many religious groups, the actuality
of the situation is that human existence
is an up-and-down adventure, with a
combination of happy and sad and, for
some, many terrible moments, so "all
smiles" is not accurate, just as the "all
smiles" illusion that many of the religious
try to convey is just as inaccurate]
National group launches billboard
campaign in North Carolina
http://tinyurl.com/ordinary-people-with-no-gods
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... some atheists are coming out of their
own closets with a new billboard campaign
that attempts to project a friendly, whole-
some image of a group long stigmatized
[overwhelmingly, by religious conservatives
for the most part] for its unconventional
beliefs.
[see original article for remainder of post>
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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
http://prohuman.net/
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Actually, what is required of a true atheist
is One that thinks the cosmos and everything
in it ...including his OWN life....is a complete
accident without a shred of ultimate purpose
No, actually, both believers and disbelievers
in god(s), those who have legitimate grounding
in the possibilities present via scientific inquiry
and research, seek to understand our natural-
istic domain to the fullest extent possible,
knowing full well that even though a lot is
now known, the mysteries of what remains
to be explored intrigue and solicit a quest to
peel back the mysteries, via scientific means,
and expand our knowledge, shrinking the area
of unknowns until, perhaps, some day, that
area is miniscule relative to what's unknown
now. The believers mentioned above also
place their god(s) into the area of unknowns,
at times, though sometimes, they attempt to
use their god(s) as substitutes for unknowns.
Disbelievers don't have that handicap.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
which is the catalyst to many other
social atheist constructs such as moral
relativism to get all the gusto one can
in this short earthly life,
The disbeliever philosophies regarding this
life are as diverse as are the believer phil-
osophies regarding this life, so it's a mis-
leading characterization to use one philoso-
phy (that of moral relativism) as if all dis-
believers have that or a similar philosophy.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
essentially working all week to live for
the weekend, celebrating often to total
drunkenness for having made it thru
another year ,
It's a misleading characterization to pretend
that heavy drinking philosophies of disbelievers
or believers are in any way related to their
disbelief or belief in god(s). Drinking philos-
ophies are arrived at via a combination of
genetic + memetic influences, with religion
playing a role among believers, that role
varying based on the particular religion an
individual is engaged in. With disbelievers,
only if they were at one point engaged in
a religion would that engagement play a
role in the totality of memetic influences
working upon the genetic construct each
disbeliever is influenced by.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
looking for reasons to partake in
vitually any mind-altering experience
in a quest to bring pleasure (Often,
sexual hedonism, drugs , alchohol abuse,
materialism , power , prestige, and forms
of narcissism) ,
As with your misleading characterization
of drinking (above), your characterization
of those factors is likewise differentiated
among both believers and disbelievers
based on the totality of genetic and
memetic influences each human consists
of.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
and a thorough disdain toward the end
of ones life approaching
I suspect that, primarily due to genetic
influences, most have disdain toward
the end of life, and even among believers
who actively engage in promising a
pleasant afterlife for those who believe
in the "right" god in the "right" way, suf-
ficient doubt/disbelief exists which places
that hope into the area of pure hope, lack-
ing any evidence, clinging to promises and
assertions without substantiation.

I think you'll find that most, regardless
of belief or disbelief, in our better moments,
seek to make life last as long and pleasantly
as possible (though there are many dispar-
ate and many similar approaches to what
is pleasant, among both believers and dis-
believers).
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
because there has been no ultimate
meaning , no ultimate fulfillment ,
and no optimism toward the afterlife ;
Well, I'm one disbeliever who wants to
hope for a pleasant continuance, even
though I don't place any god(s) into
that hope bucket, and am totally de-
pendent on naturalistic explanations
for possibilities regarding that hope.

I suspect that most disbelievers are
much more realistic than that, and
are much braver in admitting that
such a hope is likely futile. Among
believers, I suspect many simply
give lip service (and pretense) to
their afterlife hopes, and most of
the time (when outside the religious
fantasy) realize that such hopes are
about as likely as are naturalistic
hopes for such a fate.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
thus no alleged Atheist has ever
said on his deathbed :" Gee, I only
wish i had another 5 minutes to go
shopping for a new boat , or, to
make more money" .
Well, as for a deathbed experience,
I doubt that those interests would
be expressed at that moment, by
any believers or disbelievers but
I likewise expect that the likelihood
of such expressions are about the
same regardless of belief or dis-
belief.
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A lifelong pursuit of atheism/humanism
ends in a sad state of despair and fear
of death for nearly all because all their
life was spent on Self which One does
not have the power or ability to sustain.
Well, your "nearly all" characterization,
without addressing your claim, it's ob-
vious that you place both believers in
gods and disbelievers in gods into that
category.
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
Such a person finally realizes that
everything was temporary and was
simply passing away , for, he never
realized the state of his Soul which IS
permanent , eternal, and can never
be eliminated...
Prove there is a soul. You can't. As
for permanent, eternal, and can never
be eliminated, prove that. You can't.
For eternity (looking backwards in
time), each of us didn't exist.

Certainly, naturalistically, we can
trace back our origins about 13.7
billion years, but mysteries remain
about what came before that, and
naturalistic theories regarding such
matters have not yet arrived at a
replicatable provable point, though
many theories and ideas are worth
pursuing (see scientific endeavors
above).

As for hope, naturalistic hope of a
pleasant continuance is arguably
of more merit than is religious
hope of same, though the key
commonality in both is that hope
resides in the very core nature
of what it is to be human, and
until there is evidence of such
a thing, all that exists is hope
(and for the religious, pretense
and promises and non-evidential
assertions and presumptions).
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
a consideration that is not desired
especially in the final analysis of
ones earthly life as just minutes
remain.
Well, I'd like to get back to you on
my naturalistic hope when I'm on
my deathbed, but hey, as I've suf-
fered from Insulinitis (aka, type 1
diabetes) for the last 50 years, it's
not at all unlikely that my death will
result from a low glucose uncon-
sciousness event, and as I would
be unconscious if that were to trans-
pire, I'd be unable to communicate
anything to anyone.

Just yesterday, went unconscious
at about 4:00 pm, and re-awoke at
6:30 pm. I've been unconscious for
up to 7 hours, but fortunately, thus
far, have re-awakened every time.

However, if I'm on a deathbed and
do have access to a computer and
do have full awareness of an up-
coming death event, I will attempt
to convey what that experience is
like, and I'll only know at that mo-
ment if my naturalistic hope pre-
sents itself, or if I'll choose to be
more realistic, and accept this one
life chance was likely my only adven-
ture, perhaps ...

... (though certainly, I doubt that
I'll have any confidence whatsoever
in eternal naturalistic non-existence,
though I may become much more
well-educated regarding such matters
prior to any deathbed experience and
that education may give me confidence
that is now lacking in such a fate).

Put another way, perhaps, my natur-
alistic hope is bred of instinct + reluc-
tance to accept an oblivious fate +
self-absorption / self-interest, and
those characteristics, I suspect, are
endemic to my nature, but hey, even
that may change some day.

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Colanth
2011-04-09 21:23:23 UTC
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Actually, what is required of a true atheist is One that thinks the
cosmos and everything in it ...including his OWN life....is a complete
accident without a shred of ultimate purpose
Davey, how can you stand to make such a TOTAL ASS of yourself in
public? You have absolutely no idea of what atheists think is
required to be an atheist. (What you posted is about as far from the
truth as saying that to be a True Christian one must pray to Allah and
accept Mohammed as your savior.) Is making yourself look like a moron
REALLY a requirement of True Christianity?
--
Puritanism: The haunting fear that someone, somewhere may be happy.
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