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Earthquakes -- a brief history (after Port-au-Prince, Haiti disaster)
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After major disasters, naturalistic or otherwise, religion
is oft-times used by some followers of religious faiths to
try to promote ideas about how the God they believe in
was or was not involved or responsible for the disaster,
and why that God supposedly was or was not involved.

The latest tragedy in Haiti (see link at the end of this post)
is no exception.

Here's a brief synopsis of some of the earthquakes that have
transpired (since 426 BCE), and the challenge presented to
those who wish to place God in the picture in some way:

Excerpts from "The Pessimists Guide to History",
by Stuart Flexner with Doris Flexner, from 1628 BC
to 1991 AD
http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380762366

}} Comments/Excerpts from "Devastation! The World's
}} Worst Natural Disasters", by Lesley Newson, are
}} prefaced with "}}"
}} http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0789435187

...

}} Last 100 Years - "One million people have died as a
}} direct result of earthquakes. Another million have been
}} killed by hurricanes, typhoons, and tropical cyclones.
}} Over nine million have drowned in floods. Tens of mil-
}} lions more have been claimed by drought and disease ..."

...

426 B.C. - Greek earthquake kills thousands;
thousands more left injured or homeless.

373 B.C. - Earthquake causes Helice, Greece, to
sink into the Gulf of Corinth.

...

217 B.C. - Killer earthquake strikes Northern
Africa, killing more than 50 thousand.

...

19 B.C. - Over 100,000 killed by a severe earth-
quake in what is now modern-day Syria.

...

115 - Antioch, in what is now modern-day
Syria, destroyed by an earthquake; unknown
thousands killed.

...

365 - Alexandria, Egypt, wiped out by a tidal
wave from an earthquake.

...

526 - Antioch, Syria, earthquake kills 250,000.

...

1040 - Tabriz (in modern-day Iran) earthquake
kills over 50,000.

...

1169 - Mount Etna volcanic eruption in Sicily
results in 15,000 deaths from earthquakes and
tidal waves.

...

1456 - Naples, Italy, destroyed by earthquake;
50,000 die.

...

1531 - Lisbon, Portugal, earthquake kills 30,000.

1556 - January 23, 1556, earthquake in northern
China kills an estimated 830,000.

...

1626 - Naples, Italy, earthquake kills 70,000.

...

1693 - Naples, Italy, earthquake kills 93,000.
Catania, Italy, earthquake kills 60,000. Mount
Etna erupts, killing 18,000 on the island of
Sicily.

...

1703-1704 - Tokyo earthquake kills 37,000. Resulting
tidal waves wipe out entire villages.

...

1727 - Persian earthquake, in Tabriz (in modern-day
Iran) kills over 75,000.

1731 - Beijing, China, struck by massive earthquake;
100,000 die.

...

1737 - Calcutta, India, struck by a cyclone on
October 7, sending a 40 foot tidal wave crashing
ashore; 300,000 die. Four days later, a devastating
earthquake hits the city, killing another 300,000.

1754 - Cairo, Egypt, rocked by an earthquake;
40,000 die.

}} 1755 - From page 45 ... "The Roman Catholic resi-
}} dents of Lisbon believed that their good fortune
}} depended on faith in God; the Jesuits, who were
}} based in the city, taught the people that their salvation
}} depended on the strict observance of Catholic rituals.
}}
}} The Wrath of God - At 9:30 am, Sunday, November 1,
}} 1755, the faithful were gathered together in churches
}} and cathedrals all over Lisbon to celebrate All Saints'
}} Day. While priests were intoning mass, the ground
}} began to shake, walls swayed, and huge chunks of
}} masonry began falling on congregations across the
}} city. ... Some 60,000 people lost their lives in the
}} earthquake, 15,000 of whom lived in Lisbon. ...
}}
}} As the survivors watched Lisbon burn and grieved
}} for their losses, it was natural for them to inquire
}} why God had destroyed their churches and killed
}} the faithful on All Saints' Day. The question was
}} taken up by scholars all over Europe, many of whom
}} rejected mystic and religious reasons in favor of a
}} quest to find a scientific explanation for the cause
}} of this disaster. This enquiry led in time to the devel-
}} opment of modern geology.
}}
}} This revolution in thinking was reflected by the
}} practical actions of Portugal's chief minister, the
}} Marques de Pombal, who quickly assumed charge
}} of rebuilding Lisbon after the earthquake and forced
}} the Jesuits to leave the city."

1755 - Boston, Massachusetts, hit by the worst
earthquake in its history; no one dies.

...

1783 - Eight years of earthquakes strike Italy, with
the worst leveling Calabria and more than 180 towns in
the area, on February 4-5; 30,000 die outright, with
up to 30,000 dying as a result of the aftershocks and
famine which follow.

...

1794 - Combination volcano-earthquake kills 40,000
in Ecuador.

1797 - Earthquakes and volcanoes in Ecuador kill
40,000 or more.

...

1805 - Naples and Calabria, Italy, earthquake kills
over 26,000.

...

1811-1812 - Earthquakes strike New Madrid, Missouri;
death toll unknown; Mississippi River runs backwards
for hundreds of miles; tremors felt over an area of over
1.5 million square miles, nearly half the area of the
continental United States; death toll unknown.

1812 - Caracas, Venezuela, earthquake kills 20,000.

...

1819 - Genoa and Palermo, Italy, demolished by
an earthquake; 20,000 die.

1822 - Earthquakes strike Aleppo and Antioch,
Syria; 20,000 die.

...

1835 - Charles Darwin witnesses earthquake in Chile;
5,000 die.

...

1847 - Massive earthquake in Nagano, Japan; 34,000 die.

...

1857 - Earthquake strikes Tokyo, Japan; resulting fire kills
most of the 107,000 victims of this disaster.

...

1868 - Much of South America racked by an earthquake;
20,000 die.

...

1876 - Subsea earthquake causes 100 foot tsunamis to
crash ashore along a 300 mile section of coastline in
northeast Japan; 28,000 die.

...

1886 - Earthquake shakes eastern U.S.; 110 die.

1887 - Earthquake strikes French and Italian Riviera;
over 2,000 die.

...

1891 - Earthquake in central Japan; 7,300 die.

...

1896 - Subsea earthquake creates a huge tidal wave, 80 feet
high and 300 miles wide, which strikes Japan, sweeping
entire coastal towns into the ocean; 28,000 die.

...

1906 - San Francisco earthquake and fire; 700 die.

...

1908 - Messina, on the island of Sicily, collapses in ruin
from severe earthquakes; up to 250,000 die.

...

1920 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 180,000

...

1923 - Earthquake strikes 60 miles offshore from Tokyo,
Japan; 30 foot tsunami and fires follow; 140,000 die.

...

1927 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 100,000.

...

1932 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 70,000.

...

1935 - Earthquake in northwestern India (now part of
Pakistan); 50,000 die.

...

1939 - Earthquake strikes Chillan, Chile; 50,000 die.

...

1939 - Earthquake strikes wide area of eastern and northern
Turkey; 50,000 die.

...

1949 - Earthquake destroys over a half dozen cities and towns
in Ecuador; 6,000 die.

...

1960 - Earthquake strikes Agadir, Morocco; 12,000 die.

...

1962 - Earthquake strikes western Iran; 10,000 die.

...

1964 - Alaska earthquake; 118 die.

...

1968 - Iranian earthquake; thousands injured, 12,000 die.

...

1970 - May 31, earthquake strikes northern Peru; Chim-
bote, a coastal city, was almost completely destroyed;
on Mount Huascaran, an avalanche of ice and rock
crashed into a lake, spawning a new avalanche of mud
and rock that then poured down over the resort town
of Yungay - the city was so completely buried that
only the tops of palm trees and a statue of Jesus could
be seen - incredibly, all but some 3,000 of the city's
41,000 were killed in the seconds it took the avalanche
to sweep through the city; altogether, between 50,000
and 70,000 die.

...

1972 - Managua, Nicaragua earthquake; estimated death
toll of 10,000 people.

...

1976 - Guatemalan earthquake, February 4; an estimated
23,000 die.

}} 1976 - From page 42 ... "The terrible earthquake that
}} hit northeast China on July 28, 1976 was the most
}} disastrous in modern times. It was focused directly
}} under the industrial city of Tangshan, which was
}} almost completely destroyed by a massive tremor
}} that measured 8.3 on the Richter Scale.
}}
}} The massive jolt struck suddenly and was responsible
}} for the deaths of one tenth of Tangshan's population.
}} It also caused severe damage well beyond the city.
}} In total, more than 240,000 died and 164,000 were
}} severely injured ..."

...

1978 - Earthquake in northeastern Iran; an estimated
25,000 die.

...

1980 - Southern Italy earthquakes; 5,000 die.

...

1985 - Mexico City earthquake on September 19; over
7,000 die.

...

1988 - Armenia earthquake on December 8; an estimated
60,000 die.

1990 - Earthquake ravages area along the Caspian Sea,
on June 21; more than 50,000 die.

...

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2001 - Guarat, India earthquake, over 20,000 die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Gujarat_earthquake

2003 - Bam, Iran earthquake, over 26,000 die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bam_earthquake

2004 - Sumatra, Indonesia earthquake and resulting tidal
wave, over 230,000 die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake

2005 - Kashmir, Pakistan earthquake, over 79.000 die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kashmir_earthquake

2006 - Java earthquake, over 6,000 die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2006_Java_earthquake

2008 - Sichuan, China earthquake, over 69,000 die.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake

2010 - Port-au-Prince, Haiti earthquake, death toll as of yet
unknown.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquake

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Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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After major disasters, naturalistic or otherwise, religion
is oft-times used by some followers of religious faiths to
try to promote ideas about how the God they believe in
was or was not involved or responsible for the disaster,
and why that God supposedly was or was not involved.
The latest tragedy in Haiti (see link at the end of this post)
is no exception.
Here's a brief synopsis of some of the earthquakes that have
transpired (since 426 BCE), and the challenge presented to
Excerpts from "The Pessimists Guide to History",
by Stuart Flexner with Doris Flexner, from 1628 BC
to 1991 ADhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380762366
}} Comments/Excerpts from "Devastation! The World's
}} Worst Natural Disasters", by Lesley Newson, are
}} prefaced with "}}"
}}http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0789435187
...
}} Last 100 Years - "One million people have died as a
}} direct result of earthquakes. Another million have been
}} killed by hurricanes, typhoons, and tropical cyclones.
}} Over nine million have drowned in floods. Tens of mil-
}} lions more have been claimed by drought and disease ..."
...
426 B.C. - Greek earthquake kills thousands;
thousands more left injured or homeless.
373 B.C. - Earthquake causes Helice, Greece, to
sink into the Gulf of Corinth.
...
217 B.C. - Killer earthquake strikes Northern
Africa, killing more than 50 thousand.
...
19 B.C. - Over 100,000 killed by a severe earth-
quake in what is now modern-day Syria.
...
115 - Antioch, in what is now modern-day
Syria, destroyed by an earthquake; unknown
thousands killed.
...
365 - Alexandria, Egypt, wiped out by a tidal
wave from an earthquake.
...
526 - Antioch, Syria, earthquake kills 250,000.
...
1040 - Tabriz (in modern-day Iran) earthquake
kills over 50,000.
...
1169 - Mount Etna volcanic eruption in Sicily
results in 15,000 deaths from earthquakes and
tidal waves.
...
1456 - Naples, Italy, destroyed by earthquake;
50,000 die.
...
1531 - Lisbon, Portugal, earthquake kills 30,000.
1556 - January 23, 1556, earthquake in northern
China kills an estimated 830,000.
...
1626 - Naples, Italy, earthquake kills 70,000.
...
1693 - Naples, Italy, earthquake kills 93,000.
Catania, Italy, earthquake kills 60,000. Mount
Etna erupts, killing 18,000 on the island of
Sicily.
...
1703-1704 - Tokyo earthquake kills 37,000. Resulting
tidal waves wipe out entire villages.
...
1727 - Persian earthquake, in Tabriz (in modern-day
Iran) kills over 75,000.
1731 - Beijing, China, struck by massive earthquake;
100,000 die.
...
1737 - Calcutta, India, struck by a cyclone on
October 7, sending a 40 foot tidal wave crashing
ashore; 300,000 die. Four days later, a devastating
earthquake hits the city, killing another 300,000.
1754 - Cairo, Egypt, rocked by an earthquake;
40,000 die.
}} 1755 - From page 45 ... "The Roman Catholic resi-
}} dents of Lisbon believed that their good fortune
}} depended on faith in God; the Jesuits, who were
}} based in the city, taught the people that their salvation
}} depended on the strict observance of Catholic rituals.
}}
}} The Wrath of God - At 9:30 am, Sunday, November 1,
}} 1755, the faithful were gathered together in churches
}} and cathedrals all over Lisbon to celebrate All Saints'
}} Day. While priests were intoning mass, the ground
}} began to shake, walls swayed, and huge chunks of
}} masonry began falling on congregations across the
}} city. ... Some 60,000 people lost their lives in the
}} earthquake, 15,000 of whom lived in Lisbon. ...
}}
}} As the survivors watched Lisbon burn and grieved
}} for their losses, it was natural for them to inquire
}} why God had destroyed their churches and killed
}} the faithful on All Saints' Day. The question was
}} taken up by scholars all over Europe, many of whom
}} rejected mystic and religious reasons in favor of a
}} quest to find a scientific explanation for the cause
}} of this disaster. This enquiry led in time to the devel-
}} opment of modern geology.
}}
}} This revolution in thinking was reflected by the
}} practical actions of Portugal's chief minister, the
}} Marques de Pombal, who quickly assumed charge
}} of rebuilding Lisbon after the earthquake and forced
}} the Jesuits to leave the city."
1755 - Boston, Massachusetts, hit by the worst
earthquake in its history; no one dies.
...
1783 - Eight years of earthquakes strike Italy, with
the worst leveling Calabria and more than 180 towns in
the area, on February 4-5; 30,000 die outright, with
up to 30,000 dying as a result of the aftershocks and
famine which follow.
...
1794 - Combination volcano-earthquake kills 40,000
in Ecuador.
1797 - Earthquakes and volcanoes in Ecuador kill
40,000 or more.
...
1805 - Naples and Calabria, Italy, earthquake kills
over 26,000.
...
1811-1812 - Earthquakes strike New Madrid, Missouri;
death toll unknown; Mississippi River runs backwards
for hundreds of miles; tremors felt over an area of over
1.5 million square miles, nearly half the area of the
continental United States; death toll unknown.
1812 - Caracas, Venezuela, earthquake kills 20,000.
...
1819 - Genoa and Palermo, Italy, demolished by
an earthquake; 20,000 die.
1822 - Earthquakes strike Aleppo and Antioch,
Syria; 20,000 die.
...
1835 - Charles Darwin witnesses earthquake in Chile;
5,000 die.
...
1847 - Massive earthquake in Nagano, Japan; 34,000 die.
...
1857 - Earthquake strikes Tokyo, Japan; resulting fire kills
most of the 107,000 victims of this disaster.
...
1868 - Much of South America racked by an earthquake;
20,000 die.
...
1876 - Subsea earthquake causes 100 foot tsunamis to
crash ashore along a 300 mile section of coastline in
northeast Japan; 28,000 die.
...
1886 - Earthquake shakes eastern U.S.; 110 die.
1887 - Earthquake strikes French and Italian Riviera;
over 2,000 die.
...
1891 - Earthquake in central Japan; 7,300 die.
...
1896 - Subsea earthquake creates a huge tidal wave, 80 feet
high and 300 miles wide, which strikes Japan, sweeping
entire coastal towns into the ocean; 28,000 die.
...
1906 - San Francisco earthquake and fire; 700 die.
...
1908 - Messina, on the island of Sicily, collapses in ruin
from severe earthquakes; up to 250,000 die.
...
1920 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 180,000
...
1923 - Earthquake strikes 60 miles offshore from Tokyo,
Japan; 30 foot tsunami and fires follow; 140,000 die.
...
1927 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 100,000.
...
1932 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 70,000.
...
1935 - Earthquake in northwestern India (now part of
Pakistan); 50,000 die.
...
1939 - Earthquake strikes Chillan, Chile; 50,000 die.
...
1939 - Earthquake strikes wide area of eastern and northern
Turkey; 50,000 die.
...
1949 - Earthquake destroys over a half dozen cities and towns
in Ecuador; 6,000 die.
...
1960 - Earthquake strikes Agadir, Morocco; 12,000 die.
...
1962 - Earthquake strikes western Iran; 10,000 die.
...
1964 - Alaska earthquake; 118 die.
...
1968 - Iranian earthquake; thousands injured, 12,000 die.
...
1970 - May 31, earthquake strikes northern Peru; Chim-
bote, a coastal city, was almost completely destroyed;
on Mount Huascaran, an avalanche of ice and rock
crashed into a lake, spawning a new avalanche of mud
and rock that then poured down over the resort town
of Yungay - the city was so completely buried that
only the tops of palm trees and a statue of Jesus could
be seen - incredibly, all but some 3,000 of the city's
41,000 were killed in the seconds it took the avalanche
to sweep through the city; altogether, between 50,000
and 70,000 die.
...
1972 - Managua, Nicaragua earthquake; estimated death
toll of 10,000 people.
...
1976 - Guatemalan earthquake, February 4; an estimated
23,000 die.
}} 1976 - From page 42 ... "The terrible earthquake that
}} hit northeast China on July 28, 1976 was the most
}} disastrous in modern times. It was focused directly
}} under the industrial city of Tangshan, which was
}} almost completely destroyed by a massive tremor
}} that measured 8.3 on the Richter Scale.
}}
}} The massive jolt struck suddenly and was responsible
}} for the deaths of one tenth of Tangshan's population.
}} It also caused severe damage well beyond the city.
}} In total, more than 240,000 died and 164,000 were
}} severely injured ..."
...
1978 - Earthquake in northeastern Iran; an estimated
25,000 die.
...
1980 - Southern Italy earthquakes; 5,000 die.
...
1985 - Mexico City earthquake on September 19; over
7,000 die.
...
1988 - Armenia earthquake on December 8; an estimated
60,000 die.
1990 - Earthquake ravages area along the Caspian Sea,
on June 21; more than 50,000 die.
...
- - - end excerpts - - -
2001 - Guarat, India earthquake, over 20,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Gujarat_earthquake
2003 - Bam, Iran earthquake, over 26,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bam_earthquake
2004 - Sumatra, Indonesia earthquake and resulting tidal
           wave, over 230,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake
2005 - Kashmir, Pakistan earthquake, over 79.000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kashmir_earthquake
2006 - Java earthquake, over 6,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2006_Java_earthquake
2008 - Sichuan, China earthquake, over 69,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake
2010 - Port-au-Prince, Haiti earthquake, death toll as of yet
          unknown.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquake
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The Creator doesnt 'create' suffering, evil, or tragedies ; they
occur because of MANS chosen rebellion against God with Adam and Eve.
Ever since then, the physical world which was created perfect, became
a place as we see today. Just as God redeemed Man to himself thru
the Cross, so shall God one day redeem the physical earth . Then the
earth will be completely restored. Until then , when tragedies occur,
he is the for comfort and guidance to those involved. For those who
have died regardless of the circumstances., they are in eternal bliss
if they got their many sins forgiven in Christ...and are now not only
safe, but in ecstacy ; that invitation goes out to all who are
currently alive right now. Physical death isnt the big monster ---
rather, its spending an eternity NOT in Gods presence . Take action
now so that doesnt happen. Your life is but a midst -- here at one
moment and gone the next. Draw nearer to God, get to know him,
surrender your life , let go of not wanting to be owned...he owns you
in any case. Theres real peace and joy for those who willing to do
so....and a great benefit forever and ever.
haiku jones
2010-01-15 23:02:06 UTC
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On Jan 14, 11:21 am, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER"
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
- - -
After major disasters, naturalistic or otherwise, religion
is oft-times used by some followers of religious faiths to
try to promote ideas about how the God they believe in
was or was not involved or responsible for the disaster,
and why that God supposedly was or was not involved.
The latest tragedy in Haiti (see link at the end of this post)
is no exception.
Here's a brief synopsis of some of the earthquakes that have
transpired (since 426 BCE), and the challenge presented to
Excerpts from "The Pessimists Guide to History",
by Stuart Flexner with Doris Flexner, from 1628 BC
to 1991 ADhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380762366
}} Comments/Excerpts from "Devastation! The World's
}} Worst Natural Disasters", by Lesley Newson, are
}} prefaced with "}}"
}}http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0789435187
...
}} Last 100 Years - "One million people have died as a
}} direct result of earthquakes. Another million have been
}} killed by hurricanes, typhoons, and tropical cyclones.
}} Over nine million have drowned in floods. Tens of mil-
}} lions more have been claimed by drought and disease ..."
...
426 B.C. - Greek earthquake kills thousands;
thousands more left injured or homeless.
373 B.C. - Earthquake causes Helice, Greece, to
sink into the Gulf of Corinth.
...
217 B.C. - Killer earthquake strikes Northern
Africa, killing more than 50 thousand.
...
19 B.C. - Over 100,000 killed by a severe earth-
quake in what is now modern-day Syria.
...
115 - Antioch, in what is now modern-day
Syria, destroyed by an earthquake; unknown
thousands killed.
...
365 - Alexandria, Egypt, wiped out by a tidal
wave from an earthquake.
...
526 - Antioch, Syria, earthquake kills 250,000.
...
1040 - Tabriz (in modern-day Iran) earthquake
kills over 50,000.
...
1169 - Mount Etna volcanic eruption in Sicily
results in 15,000 deaths from earthquakes and
tidal waves.
...
1456 - Naples, Italy, destroyed by earthquake;
50,000 die.
...
1531 - Lisbon, Portugal, earthquake kills 30,000.
1556 - January 23, 1556, earthquake in northern
China kills an estimated 830,000.
...
1626 - Naples, Italy, earthquake kills 70,000.
...
1693 - Naples, Italy, earthquake kills 93,000.
Catania, Italy, earthquake kills 60,000. Mount
Etna erupts, killing 18,000 on the island of
Sicily.
...
1703-1704 - Tokyo earthquake kills 37,000. Resulting
tidal waves wipe out entire villages.
...
1727 - Persian earthquake, in Tabriz (in modern-day
Iran) kills over 75,000.
1731 - Beijing, China, struck by massive earthquake;
100,000 die.
...
1737 - Calcutta, India, struck by a cyclone on
October 7, sending a 40 foot tidal wave crashing
ashore; 300,000 die. Four days later, a devastating
earthquake hits the city, killing another 300,000.
1754 - Cairo, Egypt, rocked by an earthquake;
40,000 die.
}} 1755 - From page 45 ... "The Roman Catholic resi-
}} dents of Lisbon believed that their good fortune
}} depended on faith in God; the Jesuits, who were
}} based in the city, taught the people that their salvation
}} depended on the strict observance of Catholic rituals.
}}
}} The Wrath of God - At 9:30 am, Sunday, November 1,
}} 1755, the faithful were gathered together in churches
}} and cathedrals all over Lisbon to celebrate All Saints'
}} Day. While priests were intoning mass, the ground
}} began to shake, walls swayed, and huge chunks of
}} masonry began falling on congregations across the
}} city. ... Some 60,000 people lost their lives in the
}} earthquake, 15,000 of whom lived in Lisbon. ...
}}
}} As the survivors watched Lisbon burn and grieved
}} for their losses, it was natural for them to inquire
}} why God had destroyed their churches and killed
}} the faithful on All Saints' Day. The question was
}} taken up by scholars all over Europe, many of whom
}} rejected mystic and religious reasons in favor of a
}} quest to find a scientific explanation for the cause
}} of this disaster. This enquiry led in time to the devel-
}} opment of modern geology.
}}
}} This revolution in thinking was reflected by the
}} practical actions of Portugal's chief minister, the
}} Marques de Pombal, who quickly assumed charge
}} of rebuilding Lisbon after the earthquake and forced
}} the Jesuits to leave the city."
1755 - Boston, Massachusetts, hit by the worst
earthquake in its history; no one dies.
...
1783 - Eight years of earthquakes strike Italy, with
the worst leveling Calabria and more than 180 towns in
the area, on February 4-5; 30,000 die outright, with
up to 30,000 dying as a result of the aftershocks and
famine which follow.
...
1794 - Combination volcano-earthquake kills 40,000
in Ecuador.
1797 - Earthquakes and volcanoes in Ecuador kill
40,000 or more.
...
1805 - Naples and Calabria, Italy, earthquake kills
over 26,000.
...
1811-1812 - Earthquakes strike New Madrid, Missouri;
death toll unknown; Mississippi River runs backwards
for hundreds of miles; tremors felt over an area of over
1.5 million square miles, nearly half the area of the
continental United States; death toll unknown.
1812 - Caracas, Venezuela, earthquake kills 20,000.
...
1819 - Genoa and Palermo, Italy, demolished by
an earthquake; 20,000 die.
1822 - Earthquakes strike Aleppo and Antioch,
Syria; 20,000 die.
...
1835 - Charles Darwin witnesses earthquake in Chile;
5,000 die.
...
1847 - Massive earthquake in Nagano, Japan; 34,000 die.
...
1857 - Earthquake strikes Tokyo, Japan; resulting fire kills
most of the 107,000 victims of this disaster.
...
1868 - Much of South America racked by an earthquake;
20,000 die.
...
1876 - Subsea earthquake causes 100 foot tsunamis to
crash ashore along a 300 mile section of coastline in
northeast Japan; 28,000 die.
...
1886 - Earthquake shakes eastern U.S.; 110 die.
1887 - Earthquake strikes French and Italian Riviera;
over 2,000 die.
...
1891 - Earthquake in central Japan; 7,300 die.
...
1896 - Subsea earthquake creates a huge tidal wave, 80 feet
high and 300 miles wide, which strikes Japan, sweeping
entire coastal towns into the ocean; 28,000 die.
...
1906 - San Francisco earthquake and fire; 700 die.
...
1908 - Messina, on the island of Sicily, collapses in ruin
from severe earthquakes; up to 250,000 die.
...
1920 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 180,000
...
1923 - Earthquake strikes 60 miles offshore from Tokyo,
Japan; 30 foot tsunami and fires follow; 140,000 die.
...
1927 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 100,000.
...
1932 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 70,000.
...
1935 - Earthquake in northwestern India (now part of
Pakistan); 50,000 die.
...
1939 - Earthquake strikes Chillan, Chile; 50,000 die.
...
1939 - Earthquake strikes wide area of eastern and northern
Turkey; 50,000 die.
...
1949 - Earthquake destroys over a half dozen cities and towns
in Ecuador; 6,000 die.
...
1960 - Earthquake strikes Agadir, Morocco; 12,000 die.
...
1962 - Earthquake strikes western Iran; 10,000 die.
...
1964 - Alaska earthquake; 118 die.
...
1968 - Iranian earthquake; thousands injured, 12,000 die.
...
1970 - May 31, earthquake strikes northern Peru; Chim-
bote, a coastal city, was almost completely destroyed;
on Mount Huascaran, an avalanche of ice and rock
crashed into a lake, spawning a new avalanche of mud
and rock that then poured down over the resort town
of Yungay - the city was so completely buried that
only the tops of palm trees and a statue of Jesus could
be seen - incredibly, all but some 3,000 of the city's
41,000 were killed in the seconds it took the avalanche
to sweep through the city; altogether, between 50,000
and 70,000 die.
...
1972 - Managua, Nicaragua earthquake; estimated death
toll of 10,000 people.
...
1976 - Guatemalan earthquake, February 4; an estimated
23,000 die.
}} 1976 - From page 42 ... "The terrible earthquake that
}} hit northeast China on July 28, 1976 was the most
}} disastrous in modern times. It was focused directly
}} under the industrial city of Tangshan, which was
}} almost completely destroyed by a massive tremor
}} that measured 8.3 on the Richter Scale.
}}
}} The massive jolt struck suddenly and was responsible
}} for the deaths of one tenth of Tangshan's population.
}} It also caused severe damage well beyond the city.
}} In total, more than 240,000 died and 164,000 were
}} severely injured ..."
...
1978 - Earthquake in northeastern Iran; an estimated
25,000 die.
...
1980 - Southern Italy earthquakes; 5,000 die.
...
1985 - Mexico City earthquake on September 19; over
7,000 die.
...
1988 - Armenia earthquake on December 8; an estimated
60,000 die.
1990 - Earthquake ravages area along the Caspian Sea,
on June 21; more than 50,000 die.
...
- - - end excerpts - - -
2001 - Guarat, India earthquake, over 20,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Gujarat_earthquake
2003 - Bam, Iran earthquake, over 26,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bam_earthquake
2004 - Sumatra, Indonesia earthquake and resulting tidal
           wave, over 230,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake
2005 - Kashmir, Pakistan earthquake, over 79.000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kashmir_earthquake
2006 - Java earthquake, over 6,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2006_Java_earthquake
2008 - Sichuan, China earthquake, over 69,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake
2010 - Port-au-Prince, Haiti earthquake, death toll as of yet
          unknown.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquake
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The Creator doesnt 'create' suffering, evil, or tragedies ;
God says you're wrong:

“I form the light, and create darkness; I make peace,
and create evil; I am Jehovah, that doeth all these things.”

Isaiah 45
Post by i***@gmail.com
 they
occur because of MANS chosen rebellion against God with Adam and Eve.
So you're saying that God let tens of thousands of Haitians
die horribly because of something they had nothing to
do with? Some god you got there.
Post by i***@gmail.com
Ever since then, the physical world which was created perfect, became
a place as we see today.
So your God simply couldn't be bothered to prevent this
horrific disaster? Or He doesn't have the power to?
Pick one.
Post by i***@gmail.com
  Just as God redeemed Man to himself thru
the Cross, so shall God one day redeem the physical earth .  Then the
earth will be completely restored.  Until then , when tragedies occur,
he is the for comfort and guidance to those involved.
Oooh, goodie. He kills tens of thousands, and "comforts"
those that are left. Isn't that sort of like someone
breaking into your home, raping and then killing
your daughters and wife in front of your eyes,
and then saying "There there now", and getting
you a nice cup of coffee?
Post by i***@gmail.com
 For those who
have died regardless of the circumstances., they are in eternal bliss
if they got their many sins forgiven in Christ...and are now not only
safe, but in ecstacy ;  that invitation goes out to all who are
currently alive right now.  Physical death isnt the big monster ---
rather, its spending an eternity NOT in Gods presence
So you're saying that the above-mentioned hypothetical
slaughter of all your family wouldn't bother you at all,
because their in heaven?

That's pretty cold...



Haiku Jones
Post by i***@gmail.com
.  Take action
now so that doesnt happen.  Your life is but a midst -- here at one
moment and gone the next.   Draw nearer to God, get to know him,
surrender your life , let go of not wanting to be owned...he owns you
in any case.  Theres real peace and joy for those who willing to do
so....and a great benefit forever and ever.
Les Hellawell
2010-01-16 12:52:42 UTC
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Post by i***@gmail.com
The Creator doesnt 'create' suffering, evil, or tragedies ; they
occur because of MANS chosen rebellion against God with Adam and Eve.
Ever since then, the physical world which was created perfect, became
a place as we see today. Just as God redeemed Man to himself thru
the Cross, so shall God one day redeem the physical earth . Then the
earth will be completely restored. Until then , when tragedies occur,
he is the for comfort and guidance to those involved. For those who
have died regardless of the circumstances., they are in eternal bliss
if they got their many sins forgiven in Christ...and are now not only
safe, but in ecstacy ; that invitation goes out to all who are
currently alive right now. Physical death isnt the big monster ---
rather, its spending an eternity NOT in Gods presence . Take action
now so that doesnt happen. Your life is but a midst -- here at one
moment and gone the next. Draw nearer to God, get to know him,
surrender your life , let go of not wanting to be owned...he owns you
in any case. Theres real peace and joy for those who willing to do
so....and a great benefit forever and ever.
Do you wsh us to accept all this just on your say-so as true or
shall we just consider it to be the made up fairy story for children
it appears to be?

In case you are not already aware:

We are tired of continually having to ask you people to support
your claims with evidence and no longer ask.

Instead, the default is to simply assume stated beliefs and opinions
regarding god claims offerred without supporting evidence to show
they have any basis in truth are worthless and without merit and
dismissed as such

There will be no discussion or argument

The above claims default to worthless nonesense

--
Les Hellawell
Greetings from: YORKSHIRE
The White Rose County
h***@comcast.net
2010-01-16 13:01:27 UTC
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Post by i***@gmail.com
On Jan 14, 11:21 am, "Pro-Humanist FREELOVER"
Post by Pro-Humanist FREELOVER
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After major disasters, naturalistic or otherwise, religion
is oft-times used by some followers of religious faiths to
try to promote ideas about how the God they believe in
was or was not involved or responsible for the disaster,
and why that God supposedly was or was not involved.
The latest tragedy in Haiti (see link at the end of this post)
is no exception.
Here's a brief synopsis of some of the earthquakes that have
transpired (since 426 BCE), and the challenge presented to
Excerpts from "The Pessimists Guide to History",
by Stuart Flexner with Doris Flexner, from 1628 BC
to 1991 ADhttp://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0380762366
}} Comments/Excerpts from "Devastation! The World's
}} Worst Natural Disasters", by Lesley Newson, are
}} prefaced with "}}"
}}http://www.amazon.com/exec/obidos/ASIN/0789435187
...
}} Last 100 Years - "One million people have died as a
}} direct result of earthquakes. Another million have been
}} killed by hurricanes, typhoons, and tropical cyclones.
}} Over nine million have drowned in floods. Tens of mil-
}} lions more have been claimed by drought and disease ..."
...
426 B.C. - Greek earthquake kills thousands;
thousands more left injured or homeless.
373 B.C. - Earthquake causes Helice, Greece, to
sink into the Gulf of Corinth.
...
217 B.C. - Killer earthquake strikes Northern
Africa, killing more than 50 thousand.
...
19 B.C. - Over 100,000 killed by a severe earth-
quake in what is now modern-day Syria.
...
115 - Antioch, in what is now modern-day
Syria, destroyed by an earthquake; unknown
thousands killed.
...
365 - Alexandria, Egypt, wiped out by a tidal
wave from an earthquake.
...
526 - Antioch, Syria, earthquake kills 250,000.
...
1040 - Tabriz (in modern-day Iran) earthquake
kills over 50,000.
...
1169 - Mount Etna volcanic eruption in Sicily
results in 15,000 deaths from earthquakes and
tidal waves.
...
1456 - Naples, Italy, destroyed by earthquake;
50,000 die.
...
1531 - Lisbon, Portugal, earthquake kills 30,000.
1556 - January 23, 1556, earthquake in northern
China kills an estimated 830,000.
...
1626 - Naples, Italy, earthquake kills 70,000.
...
1693 - Naples, Italy, earthquake kills 93,000.
Catania, Italy, earthquake kills 60,000. Mount
Etna erupts, killing 18,000 on the island of
Sicily.
...
1703-1704 - Tokyo earthquake kills 37,000. Resulting
tidal waves wipe out entire villages.
...
1727 - Persian earthquake, in Tabriz (in modern-day
Iran) kills over 75,000.
1731 - Beijing, China, struck by massive earthquake;
100,000 die.
...
1737 - Calcutta, India, struck by a cyclone on
October 7, sending a 40 foot tidal wave crashing
ashore; 300,000 die. Four days later, a devastating
earthquake hits the city, killing another 300,000.
1754 - Cairo, Egypt, rocked by an earthquake;
40,000 die.
}} 1755 - From page 45 ... "The Roman Catholic resi-
}} dents of Lisbon believed that their good fortune
}} depended on faith in God; the Jesuits, who were
}} based in the city, taught the people that their salvation
}} depended on the strict observance of Catholic rituals.
}}
}} The Wrath of God - At 9:30 am, Sunday, November 1,
}} 1755, the faithful were gathered together in churches
}} and cathedrals all over Lisbon to celebrate All Saints'
}} Day. While priests were intoning mass, the ground
}} began to shake, walls swayed, and huge chunks of
}} masonry began falling on congregations across the
}} city. ... Some 60,000 people lost their lives in the
}} earthquake, 15,000 of whom lived in Lisbon. ...
}}
}} As the survivors watched Lisbon burn and grieved
}} for their losses, it was natural for them to inquire
}} why God had destroyed their churches and killed
}} the faithful on All Saints' Day. The question was
}} taken up by scholars all over Europe, many of whom
}} rejected mystic and religious reasons in favor of a
}} quest to find a scientific explanation for the cause
}} of this disaster. This enquiry led in time to the devel-
}} opment of modern geology.
}}
}} This revolution in thinking was reflected by the
}} practical actions of Portugal's chief minister, the
}} Marques de Pombal, who quickly assumed charge
}} of rebuilding Lisbon after the earthquake and forced
}} the Jesuits to leave the city."
1755 - Boston, Massachusetts, hit by the worst
earthquake in its history; no one dies.
...
1783 - Eight years of earthquakes strike Italy, with
the worst leveling Calabria and more than 180 towns in
the area, on February 4-5; 30,000 die outright, with
up to 30,000 dying as a result of the aftershocks and
famine which follow.
...
1794 - Combination volcano-earthquake kills 40,000
in Ecuador.
1797 - Earthquakes and volcanoes in Ecuador kill
40,000 or more.
...
1805 - Naples and Calabria, Italy, earthquake kills
over 26,000.
...
1811-1812 - Earthquakes strike New Madrid, Missouri;
death toll unknown; Mississippi River runs backwards
for hundreds of miles; tremors felt over an area of over
1.5 million square miles, nearly half the area of the
continental United States; death toll unknown.
1812 - Caracas, Venezuela, earthquake kills 20,000.
...
1819 - Genoa and Palermo, Italy, demolished by
an earthquake; 20,000 die.
1822 - Earthquakes strike Aleppo and Antioch,
Syria; 20,000 die.
...
1835 - Charles Darwin witnesses earthquake in Chile;
5,000 die.
...
1847 - Massive earthquake in Nagano, Japan; 34,000 die.
...
1857 - Earthquake strikes Tokyo, Japan; resulting fire kills
most of the 107,000 victims of this disaster.
...
1868 - Much of South America racked by an earthquake;
20,000 die.
...
1876 - Subsea earthquake causes 100 foot tsunamis to
crash ashore along a 300 mile section of coastline in
northeast Japan; 28,000 die.
...
1886 - Earthquake shakes eastern U.S.; 110 die.
1887 - Earthquake strikes French and Italian Riviera;
over 2,000 die.
...
1891 - Earthquake in central Japan; 7,300 die.
...
1896 - Subsea earthquake creates a huge tidal wave, 80 feet
high and 300 miles wide, which strikes Japan, sweeping
entire coastal towns into the ocean; 28,000 die.
...
1906 - San Francisco earthquake and fire; 700 die.
...
1908 - Messina, on the island of Sicily, collapses in ruin
from severe earthquakes; up to 250,000 die.
...
1920 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 180,000
...
1923 - Earthquake strikes 60 miles offshore from Tokyo,
Japan; 30 foot tsunami and fires follow; 140,000 die.
...
1927 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 100,000.
...
1932 - Earthquake in north central China (Gansu) kills 70,000.
...
1935 - Earthquake in northwestern India (now part of
Pakistan); 50,000 die.
...
1939 - Earthquake strikes Chillan, Chile; 50,000 die.
...
1939 - Earthquake strikes wide area of eastern and northern
Turkey; 50,000 die.
...
1949 - Earthquake destroys over a half dozen cities and towns
in Ecuador; 6,000 die.
...
1960 - Earthquake strikes Agadir, Morocco; 12,000 die.
...
1962 - Earthquake strikes western Iran; 10,000 die.
...
1964 - Alaska earthquake; 118 die.
...
1968 - Iranian earthquake; thousands injured, 12,000 die.
...
1970 - May 31, earthquake strikes northern Peru; Chim-
bote, a coastal city, was almost completely destroyed;
on Mount Huascaran, an avalanche of ice and rock
crashed into a lake, spawning a new avalanche of mud
and rock that then poured down over the resort town
of Yungay - the city was so completely buried that
only the tops of palm trees and a statue of Jesus could
be seen - incredibly, all but some 3,000 of the city's
41,000 were killed in the seconds it took the avalanche
to sweep through the city; altogether, between 50,000
and 70,000 die.
...
1972 - Managua, Nicaragua earthquake; estimated death
toll of 10,000 people.
...
1976 - Guatemalan earthquake, February 4; an estimated
23,000 die.
}} 1976 - From page 42 ... "The terrible earthquake that
}} hit northeast China on July 28, 1976 was the most
}} disastrous in modern times. It was focused directly
}} under the industrial city of Tangshan, which was
}} almost completely destroyed by a massive tremor
}} that measured 8.3 on the Richter Scale.
}}
}} The massive jolt struck suddenly and was responsible
}} for the deaths of one tenth of Tangshan's population.
}} It also caused severe damage well beyond the city.
}} In total, more than 240,000 died and 164,000 were
}} severely injured ..."
...
1978 - Earthquake in northeastern Iran; an estimated
25,000 die.
...
1980 - Southern Italy earthquakes; 5,000 die.
...
1985 - Mexico City earthquake on September 19; over
7,000 die.
...
1988 - Armenia earthquake on December 8; an estimated
60,000 die.
1990 - Earthquake ravages area along the Caspian Sea,
on June 21; more than 50,000 die.
...
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2001 - Guarat, India earthquake, over 20,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2001_Gujarat_earthquake
2003 - Bam, Iran earthquake, over 26,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2003_Bam_earthquake
2004 - Sumatra, Indonesia earthquake and resulting tidal
           wave, over 230,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2004_Indian_Ocean_earthquake
2005 - Kashmir, Pakistan earthquake, over 79.000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2005_Kashmir_earthquake
2006 - Java earthquake, over 6,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/May_2006_Java_earthquake
2008 - Sichuan, China earthquake, over 69,000 die.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2008_Sichuan_earthquake
2010 - Port-au-Prince, Haiti earthquake, death toll as of yet
          unknown.
 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2010_Haiti_earthquake
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The Creator doesnt 'create' suffering, evil, or tragedies ;  they
occur because of MANS chosen rebellion against God with Adam and Eve.
Ever since then, the physical world which was created perfect, became
a place as we see today.   Just as God redeemed Man to himself thru
the Cross, so shall God one day redeem the physical earth .  Then the
earth will be completely restored.  Until then , when tragedies occur,
he is the for comfort and guidance to those involved.  For those who
have died regardless of the circumstances., they are in eternal bliss
if they got their many sins forgiven in Christ...and are now not only
safe, but in ecstacy ;  that invitation goes out to all who are
currently alive right now.  Physical death isnt the big monster ---
rather, its spending an eternity NOT in Gods presence .  Take action
now so that doesnt happen.  Your life is but a midst -- here at one
moment and gone the next.   Draw nearer to God, get to know him,
surrender your life , let go of not wanting to be owned...he owns you
in any case.  Theres real peace and joy for those who willing to do
so....and a great benefit forever and ever.
How do you like our new loons?
Ken
2010-01-17 00:13:27 UTC
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On Jan 15, 12:53 pm, "***@gmail.com" <***@gmail.com>
wrote:
The Creato..remainder of Dimwit Dumbfuck's ravings snipped as a public
service

Ilbebaucked saz:
"However, THIS one is Creationists can certainly prove an intelligent
Designer/Creator for the Cosmos"
"If you cant see the vast evidences for special Creation..."

What "evidences"?
What "proof"?


SO.....Where is it, FOOL?
Reverend Dave
2010-01-18 05:47:29 UTC
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Post by Ken
The Creato..remainder of Dimwit Dumbfuck's ravings snipped as a public
service
"However, THIS one is Creationists can certainly prove an intelligent
Designer/Creator for the Cosmos"
"If you cant see the vast evidences for special Creation..."
What "evidences"?
What "proof"?
SO.....Where is it, FOOL?
Dimwit is as bad as Puke when it comes to providing evidence.
--
Ignorance more frequently begets confidence than does knowledge: it is
those who know little, not those who know much, who so positively assert
that this or that problem will never be solved by science. - Charles Darwin
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